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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 22:19:55 +0000<br>
From: "Alan Gaul" <agaul@mit.edu><br>
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Hello everyone,<br>
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I am wondering if the FRAZIL package is set up to use in conjunction with the SHELFICE package, or if there is a different way to parameterize the heat flux from refreezing of supercooled water onto the ice shelf interface? The description in frazil_description.tex
says "supercooling at depth creates frazil, which rises to the model's surface level in one model time step," so it seems like this probably wouldn't work at the ice shelf interface.<br>
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 13:45:13 +0100<br>
From: Martin Losch <Martin.Losch@awi.de><br>
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Subject: Re: [MITgcm-support] Question about FRAZIL package<br>
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Hi Alan,<br>
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I may be wrong about the frazil package, but I think it?s a ?hack? to get rid of supercooled water in the interior by modifying the temperature tendency locally and at the correspoding surface cell, so no freezing done in this package. The exceed heat that
made the interiol grid cell supercooled is moved to the surface (instantaneously within one timestep), and then the model does what it does according to the thermodynamics. As far as I can tell, it should also work with pkg/shelfice, i.e the temperature tendendy
is applied to the first cell below the ice shelf (kSurcC), and then there can be refreezing according the ice-shelf-ocean interaction.<br>
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Martin<br>
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> On 6. Dec 2023, at 23:19, Alan Gaul <agaul@mit.edu> wrote:<br>
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> Hello everyone,<br>
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> I am wondering if the FRAZIL package is set up to use in conjunction with the SHELFICE package, or if there is a different way to parameterize the heat flux from refreezing of supercooled water onto the ice shelf interface? The description in frazil_description.tex
says "supercooling at depth creates frazil, which rises to the model's surface level in one model time step," so it seems like this probably wouldn't work at the ice shelf interface.<br>
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> Thank you,<br>
> Alan<br>
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