<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">You could use the fluxes (diagnosed as oceQnet, oceFWflx, but beware of the opposite sign compared to hflux/sflux) of a well-spun-up state with repeated year forcing as a starting point for your modifications. That would be like prescribing the ice cover of a previous “climatology”.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Martin<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 5. Apr 2022, at 13:16, Margarita Markina <<a href="mailto:margarita.markina@earth.ox.ac.uk" class="">margarita.markina@earth.ox.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Thanks so much to both of you!</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I used ice model before cause during the model spin-up I wanted to have the sea ice consistent with my repeated year forcing, but I guess at the current stage when I want to modify atmospheric forcing it could indeed make sense to turn this off (especially if it's challenging to make the ice respond consistently to the additional perturbations of heat fluxes in the model - which wasn't obvious to me).</span></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; 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font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">All the best, </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Rita</div><div id="appendonsend" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline-block; width: 830.046875px;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>MITgcm-support <<a href="mailto:mitgcm-support-bounces@mitgcm.org" class="">mitgcm-support-bounces@mitgcm.org</a>> on behalf of Martin Losch <<a href="mailto:Martin.Losch@awi.de" class="">Martin.Losch@awi.de</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 5, 2022 11:17 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>MITgcm Support <<a href="mailto:mitgcm-support@mitgcm.org" class="">mitgcm-support@mitgcm.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [MITgcm-support] [EXTERNAL] forcing model with hflux and sflux</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Rita,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">the code cannot apply hflux/sflux with the sea ice model turned on, because the sea ice model computes these fluxes where there is ice. Frankly, what do you need the sea ice model for, if you want to prescribe the fluxes anyway? In this sense I’d support Dimitris’ suggestion. The fluxes that you prescribe should know about the sea ice distribution. It’s like prescribing the sea ice cover. If you want to have the sea ice modify these fluxes, more work is needed (and it will be complicated to get it “right”, i.e. consistent).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You’ll have to find a solution where you allow the model to compute the fluxes (from atmospheric fields that it reads) **and** read them. Depending what you want to do exactly I would have a look at pkg/exf and pkg/seaice and comment out the stop statements that bother you. Then you’d have to prescribe both the fluxes and the atmospheric fields and modify the code so that the fluxes are not overwritten by the ones that the exf-package computes. The sea ice model will then use the atmospheric fluxes (which you have prescribed) and recompute them in grid cells with sea ice. That could work, but I have never tried it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Martin</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 5. Apr 2022, at 12:03, Margarita Markina <<a href="mailto:margarita.markina@earth.ox.ac.uk" class="">margarita.markina@earth.ox.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="x_Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It is subpolar latitudes, so I need the sea ice unfortunately<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><span id="x_🙁" class="">🙁</span></div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">is there a way to force the model with hflux/sflux when sea ice module is on?</div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Or alternatively (if the former is impossible) - is there a way to add some fixed values (in certain locations) to heat fluxes computed within the model? </div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">All the best, </div><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Rita</div><div id="x_appendonsend" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div><hr tabindex="-1" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; 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font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font size="2" class=""><span class="" style="font-size: 11pt;"><div class="x_PlainText">Turn off the sea ice module ;-)<br class=""><br class="">> On Apr 5, 2022, at 2:43 AM, Margarita Markina <<a href="mailto:margarita.markina@earth.ox.ac.uk" class="">margarita.markina@earth.ox.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br class="">><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> So, my question is - how do I set my model so it is forced by hflux and sflux without getting errors from sea ice module?<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">MITgcm-support mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:MITgcm-support@mitgcm.org" class="">MITgcm-support@mitgcm.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://mailman.mitgcm.org/mailman/listinfo/mitgcm-support" class="">http://mailman.mitgcm.org/mailman/listinfo/mitgcm-support</a><br class=""></div></span></font></div><span class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; 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