[MITgcm-support] Bottom drag setup question
Yilang Xu
yxu at whoi.edu
Wed Jun 5 11:12:30 EDT 2019
Hi Jean-Michel,
Great! Thank you very much for letting me know. I have cc'ed Yu-Kun Qian (钱钰坤) about this regarding his previous reply (Thanks Yu-Kun!).
Best,
Yilang
On 6/5/19, 10:49, "MITgcm-support on behalf of Jean-Michel Campin" <mitgcm-support-bounces at mitgcm.org on behalf of jmc at mit.edu> wrote:
Hi Yilang,
The answer is "Yes". Any of the three:
1) bottomDragQuadratic > 0
2) bottomDragLinear > 0
3) no_slip_bottom = .TRUE. with non-zero vertical viscosity
will contribute to non-zero friction term at the bottom.
And if 2 or 3 of the above are used, contributions are added together.
Cheers,
Jean-Michel
On Wed, Jun 05, 2019 at 10:23:30AM -0400, Yilang Xu wrote:
> Hi Jean-Michel,
>
> Thanks very much for your explanation. Just to ensure my understanding is correct- for the case with free-slip bottom, if we have bottomDragQuadratic > 0, there is still bottom friction added. Am I right?
>
> Best,
> Yilang
>
> ???On 6/5/19, 00:48, "MITgcm-support on behalf of Jean-Michel Campin" <mitgcm-support-bounces at mitgcm.org on behalf of jmc at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Yilang,
>
> There is some confusion regarding these free-slip / no-slip boundary-conditions
> in combination with various bottom drag options, so I will try to clarify:
>
> 1) no-slip options (default = TRUE):
> (a) no_slip_sides=.TRUE.,
> (b) no_slip_bottom=.TRUE.,
> Here a friction term is computed next to vertical wall (a) or/and in the grid-cell
> abore the bottom (b). The magnitude of the friction term is function of the
> horizontal viscosity (a) or vertical viscosity (b).
> This is explained in the manual, at the end of section 2.14.5 and 2.14.6 :
> https://mitgcm.readthedocs.io/en/latest/algorithm/algorithm.html#flux-form-momentum-equations
> Note that the documentation is found in the Flux-Form sub-section but applies to both
> momentum forumalion, Flux-Form or Vector-Invariant form (in fact the same routines,
> from pkg/mom_commom/, are used in both momentum formulations).
>
> 2) Linear or quadratic bottom drag:
> These options (i.e., bottomDragLinear > 0 or bottomDragQuadratic > 0) will increase the
> magnitude of the bottom friction term (from zero if no_slip_bottom=.FALSE. or from non
> zero value otherwise) by adding a friction term that iis simply computed from the
> velocity near the bottom using a linear or quadratic relation (but independent from
> vertical viscosity near the bottom).
>
> (1) and (2) can be combined (your second case), and this would result in adding
> linear/quadratic bottom drag friction to the vertical viscosity dependent bottom
> friction due to no-slip BC.
>
> Cheers,
> Jean-Michel
>
> On Tue, Jun 04, 2019 at 10:33:16PM -0400, Yilang Xu wrote:
> > I just checked sideDragFactor setup in mom_v_sidedrag.F, scenario 2 is solved for no slip side.
> >
> > Now I mostly wonder the logic behind scenario 1, for the case with free-slip bottom and a specified bottom drag.
> >
> > Any clarification is appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Yilang
> >
> >
> >
> > From: MITgcm-support <mitgcm-support-bounces at mitgcm.org> on behalf of Yilang Xu <yxu at whoi.edu>
> > Reply-To: <mitgcm-support at mitgcm.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 22:12
> > To: "mitgcm-support at mitgcm.org" <mitgcm-support at mitgcm.org>
> > Subject: [MITgcm-support] Bottom drag setup question
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am checking the behavior of the bottom drag, following the old post http://mailman.mitgcm.org/pipermail/mitgcm-support/2011-June/007258.html .
> >
> > My question involves 2 scenarios, and I am wondering if my interpretation is right.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. Scenario 1 setup:
> >
> > no_slip_sides=.FALSE.,
> >
> > no_slip_bottom=.FALSE.,
> >
> > bottomDragQuadratic=2.5E-3,
> >
> > Although both the bottom and the side are free slip, there are still bottom friction and energy dissipation at the bottom. I saw some papers do this using MITgcm, but it is not very intuitive to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. Scenarios 2 setup:
> >
> > no_slip_sides=.TRUE.,
> >
> > no_slip_bottom=.TRUE.,
> >
> > bottomDragQuadratic=2.5E-3,
> >
> > Now the bottom is no slip with a bottom drag coefficient specified. However, since the side is no slip as well, is there also a drag coefficient that can be specified for the sides?
> >
> >
> >
> > There are some explanations in the documentation http://mitgcm.org/public/r2_manual/latest/online_documents/node58.html , but I am hoping further clarifications about this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Yilang
> >
> >
> >
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